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Re: No Honor amongst thieves! So the saying goes

mollyfud — Mon, 03 Sep 2007 02:41:49 -0000

So what your saying is that the write of the edit should have gone on the evening news and made the claim? The guy didn't make that claim, he only said that it was rumored. You know, like Howard didn't say that Braun was on EPO only that it was rumored!

Molly

Re: No Honor amongst thieves! So the saying goes

Greg — Mon, 03 Sep 2007 02:23:17 -0000

Sunday Age is reporting that a Wikipedian who defamed a certain sports journalist "can expect some interesting mail from the legal fraternity". This likely stemmed from some (implausible) objectionable additions to Mr Howard's Wikipedia entry involving sex-changes, leprosy and penile attachment surgery.

Goes to show that these guys are serious about protecting their reputation against online smear campaigns and the like.

Re: No Honor amongst thieves! So the saying goes

Greg — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:51:46 -0000

Good points. It would be hard to maintain you thought this was a lawful exchange.

I'm not sure what the law is around "finding" confidential documents, or if there's any way a doctor or patient could have legally sold them to her. So, if they can't be found or sold then that only leaves one possibility, right?

Maybe Seven did a calculation and thought that getting the AFL off their back over the Akermanis/Braun affair was worth the risk.

Re: No Honor amongst thieves! So the saying goes

mollyfud — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:01:30 -0000

<insert/>about doing something quickly here>.

Just my 2 cents.
Molly

Re: No Honor amongst thieves! So the saying goes

Greg — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:53:27 -0000

mens rea ("guilty mind") offence, which means that the prosecution has to establish beyond reasonable doubt that in the mind of the accused at the time, he/she knew they were stolen. It's not enough to show that they actually were stolen.

I expect Channel 7 (and its journos) would claim they believed "Catherine" when she said "Oh, I found these in the gutter". Medical records in the gutter? To my mind, that's less plausible than if she'd said it fell off the back of a truck.

However, I'm not sure about what "know" means here: reasonable suspicion, balance of probabilities, beyond reasonable doubt? How much do you really "know" about the stuff you buy on eBay or the Trading Post?

There are no doubt other defences, such as if Channel 7 intended to hand them over to police.

Re: No Honor amongst thieves! So the saying goes

mollyfud — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:57:07 -0000

other forms.

I have left the email address as I don't see that as a problem (and would be happy to argue that to a judge if necessary). Personally I think Dylan has commented on the good feedback he has gotten and would say that I hope if your unhappy with the story and the Gutter media you comment to 7/Dylan (he has asked for it).

Greg, you seem to have an eye for legal matters, should 7 fear anything from this women (and another man) being charged? Could they be charged with dealing with stolen goods?

Molly

Re: No Honor amongst thieves! So the saying goes

Greg — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:48:00 -0000

"cyberstalking" laws here in Victoria.

Did you know that the criminal provisions for providing a person's personal information online is up to ten years in jail?

I imagine that would cover personal mobile numbers, email addresses and other contact details. I'm not sure, but if the intent is to menace, harass or intimidate (or encourage others to do so) then it could look very bad for the suspect.

So, it seems the AFL is not alone in getting the courts to its dirty work of silencing members of the public.

(The difference here, of course, is about doing it in the name of citizens' personal security rather than a big corporate's brand value protection.)

Something to think about, anyway.

-Greg.